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Black Powder - Does it have a place in Dungeons and Dragons?

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Tellan Cloverleaf	Guns in Darkest Days	#21	[-]
Posts: 199 (03/26/02 10:58:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I allowed a gnomish wizard to have a pistol in my current campaign. It fit with his character's background (he is not proficient) and made for an amusing tale when the Evil NPC that was traveling with the party got it from him after it jammed (Nat 1 on attack) and then coup de graced the party's rogue because the NPC needed an item the rogue had. Back on topic - I have no problems with blackpowder guns in my campaign (Forgotten Realms). It is extremely expensive and generally not worth it. Only the gnome has a pistol and no one else has even asked to buy one. Overall the guns are not that powerful, expensive cost, 1 feat to use effectively, can't get wet, and cannot apply strength modifier to damage. I did give the party several barrels of blackpowder for use in destroying a Temple of Bane but it backfired when the NPC fireballed the wagon and the resulting explosion killed 2 players and knocked 2 unconscious. But that is another story.
Setzer	Re: Guns in Darkest Days	#22	[-]
Posts: 192 (03/26/02 11:41:14) Banned User Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I allow powder weapons in most all of my games. Just compare them to crossbows (Loading time and such make them nearly equal). In the end, crossbows still win: Crossbows: Light, Heavy, Great, Repeating, Hand Damage: 1d8, 1d10, 1d12, 1d8, 1d4 Cost: 35 gp, 50 gp, 100 gp, 250 gp, 100 gp Crit: 19-20/x2 (All) Extras: Ammo (All) Feats: No, No, Yes, Yes, Yes Loading Time: Move Action, Full Round, Full Round, Full Round (For 5 shots), Move Fireable in one hand: Small or larger at -4, medium or larger at -4, large or larger at -4, No, Yes Common: Yes, Yes, No, No, No Mighty: No (All) Guns: Pistol, Musket Damage: 1d10, 1d12 Cost: 250 gp, 500 gp Crit: x3 (All) Extras: Ammo (All), Powder (All) Feats: Yes (All) Loading Time: Standard Action (All) Fireable in One Hand: Yes, No Common: No (All) Mighty: No (All) As you can see, firearms are reall expensive to keep, and you have to blow a feat on them. I prefer crossbows, but allow firearms. Really it's a flavor thing, not all that different from longsword vs. battleax. The futuristic weapons weren't ever even made for D&D. They were put there to show what they may have been like. Though I will put them in my game, but not as something you can buy or make. Like a charged artifact, maybe with one full energy pack (50 laser pistol shots). Something pricless to the PC that will most likely be used only against dragons and balors.
Titus Vespasian	Re: Guns in Darkest Days	#23	[-]
Posts: 38 (03/26/02 16:07:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I've used guns in a campaign once. It was interesting. The Pc's didn't like it! But that's not the point of what i am trying to say. In real life if I am correct it would take one about twenty seconds to reload a musket, so roughly three rounds to reload!! Meaning in d&d no multiple attacks around with out quick draw and multiple guns. Here's the musket stats I used in my game: Muskettes and pistols Size: Large/medium/small/tiny Damage: 2d8/2d6/2d4/2d3 Crit: x3 Weight: ?/?/?/? Range: 50ft/40ft/30ft/10ft (up to 20 times the range increment, inaccurate at distance bu still shoots as far as a bow) Reload time(full round actions):3/3/2 Proficiency: Simple
TheAngelOfWar	Re: Guns in Darkest Days	#24	[-]
Posts: 1418 (03/27/02 00:17:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	when i first started playing, my DM threw a gun at our party. we were in a barfight that got WAY out fo hand and he says "the guy points a strange looking rod at you. there is a hole in one end and he has his finger on a little lever." now being in character, i dove for cover because there was plenty of magic and we knew what rods could do. when i got behind the table and the bal blew through and hit me in the arm, i said "I WANT IT!!!" so we found the guy the next day, beat the daylights out of him, and took his gun. the NEXT day, we were in a fight vs monsters, so i take my new toy, point it and pull the lever. click. guess what, if you dont know how a gun works, you dont know how a gun works. now, the best assumption is that pc's either dont know what guns are at all, or that they have maybe seen one a LONG time ago. in order to use one, they must aquire the weapon, the bullets, and the powder. any pc will throw the thing away for uselessness before he figures out where to get all these items. and of course, advanced weapons DO have their place in the appropriate campaigns, but in a traditional D&D setting, either dont have em or use what i said above. and btw, you're darn stinkin right any FR wizard is gonna come after you with the wrath of mystra if you posses a threat to the supremacy of magic. Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Jahx	Re: Black Powder - Does it have a place in Dungeons and Drag	#25	[-]
Posts: 3131 (03/27/02 13:31:07) Banned User Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	As of right now I don't really have a campaign or world on paper, just some stuff in my head. But when it is done, there will be no guns or black powder. They don't fit into what I want my world to be. That being said, creative PCs who want gun like objects need to just use hey're imagination. Want something gun-like. How about a goofy shaped wand of magic missles with X amount of charges. There are a ton of other spells too that could function very similarly to bullets or shotgun shells. I guess this solution wouldn't work in a low magic campaign but it should work in waht I'm running. With a magic rich game like DnD there are so many alternatives to things like guns that there is no reason to integrate them, unless you want to. In fact in one game, our party got sent to the future, where we had to retrieve a stolen artifact to get home. The DM used Shadowrun as a basis and via the thieves guild I was able to acquire a sniper rifle to aid in storming the fortress to get the artifact back. Of course I'm leaving out a few hours of game play but that's the gist of it. Anyways I ended with a futuristic sniper rifle in regular DnD world. The rest of the party wanted me to comission gnomes to build replicas for the rest of them but I was having it. I locked the gun away for safe keeping and just in case I did need to use it under dire circumstances (hey I'm not stupid.) I rationalised this by saying that I wanted to be the only one with access to such technology, where actually I just didn't want guns in the world. I'm not planning on using trains but the thought did occur to me once to create some fantasy version of a motorcycle. Quickly I figured out this could be done by adding the magical construct template to a riding creature and get creative with the description. Hence I came up with a magical construct light horse who's legs turn wheels in a similar fashion that a toddler ride a big wheel or tricycle. Not that this has any big point I'm just saying it's not necessary to introduce such things in a game such as DnD because magic and other things can replicate what we have today through technology without losing to much of the fantasy flavor. *Couldn't make it as a wiseman...Couldn't cut it as a poor man stealin'...* Cleric 1/Rogue 1/Fighter 18 *DTTWBAFUtPbPC President Jahx*
red dragon60	Trains!	#26	[-]
Posts: 102 (03/27/02 16:31:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Keep in mind that train tracks were originally used to pull ore out of mines with donkeys. They would take it the ten or so miles to the steel plant. You could have donkeys or horses pull it as an effective and faster way to tote things, but I wouldn't take it beyond that into steam power. "Ladies and Lords! Be the first to ride the new ASS-POWERED steelcoach!"
jonny eol	Re: Guns, guns, guns	#27	[-]
Posts: 17 (12/24/02 16:05:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I typically allow them at match lock level only. They're unpredictable, hard to use and expensive to maintain. They are certainly regarded as 'exotic' weapons. It's just have seen one fired for real once (at a chemistry lecture on explosives), I realised exactly what these things really did and that was to go BANG!!! Whether they actually hit anything didn't seem important. Notably, only netural/evil characters have ever taken them, which says something about the nature of such devices.

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