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Posts: 240 (06/10/02 07:12:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None can someone explain to me how the coup de grace rule works (vs. a helpless opponent?)
CelticDragonlord	Re	#1	[-]
Posts: 1502 (06/10/02 08:10:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Attacker takes a full round action to hit the person. Auto-crit. The reciever of the blow must make a fort save DC (10 + damage taken) or die automatically. Sneak attack damage included, if applicable. Does that help?
ShandriLaMer	Re: Re	#2	[-]
Posts: 819 (06/10/02 09:47:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I believe that if an ally of the fallen person is adjacent to the hopeful attacker, that you can't do a coup de grace. Yep, there it is on PHB page 133, you provoke an AoO. It also mentions that you can use a bow or crossbow to deliver the coup de grace, but you still have to be adjacent to the defender. This is where weapons with a x3 or 4 crit come in handy. Basically, it reflects why an axe was an execution weapon of choice, i.e., the person being executed is helpless, and the axe takes care of things quickly. Michelle, the eternal egg "Don't mess with me! I still have all my spells!"
CelticDragonlord	Re: Re	#3	[-]
Posts: 1502 (06/10/02 12:23:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	That's something though... is a tied up person helpless, or just immobile? RPG stands for Roleplaying Life... Role-Playin' G'Life.
SilverHawk	Re: Re	#4	[-]
Posts: 769 (06/10/02 12:40:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	you only cant if the AoO from the ally hits you. If he missed you can continue the coup de gras. -------- D&D: Protecting the world from reality since 1974.
Saint Alphonzo	Re: Re	#5	[-]
Posts: 683 (06/10/02 13:37:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Helpless Bound, held, sleeping, paralyzed, or unconscious characters are helpless. Enemies can make advantageous attacks against helpless characters, or even deliver a usually lethal coup de grace. A melee attack against a helpless character is at a +4 bonus on the attack roll (equivalent to attacking a prone target). A ranged attack gets no special bonus. A helpless defender can't use any Dexterity bonus to AC. In fact, his Dexterity score is treated as if it were 0 and his Dexterity modifier to AC were -5 (and a rogue can sneak attack him). Visit Mercury Ascending on the premier site for PBP Gaming, Online-Role-Playing.Commodities.
ShandriLaMer	Re: Re	#6	[-]
Posts: 819 (06/10/02 13:37:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	If you're immobile, you are helpless. So, as soon as "hold person" or paralysis hits, watch out. Now, for a tied-up person, you might have to get a DM ruling on if the tie-job is good enough to render them helpless, or if they have a reasonable chance of thrashing about or slipping out enough to disrupt a coup de grace. Michelle, the eternal egg "Don't mess with me! I still have all my spells!"
RavenDark64	I didn't know that.	#7	[-]
Posts: 742 (06/10/02 19:54:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	So let me get this straight. If you get hit by an AoO while attempting a coup de grace, you lose the coup de grace?
The Gofa	Re: I didn't know that.	#8	[-]
Posts: 1625 (06/10/02 20:49:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Actually, I've never heard of losing the CDG from being hit. Perhaps it'd require a concentration check. *This post has been brought to you by the Almighty Gofa. No other gophers may take the place of the Almighty Gofa under any circumstances. Not even big ones. With machetes.*
MerricB	Re: I didn't know that.	#9	[-]
Posts: 3143 (06/10/02 21:49:18) The Killer DM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You don't lose the Coup de Grace action unless you're knocked unconscious or killed. Concentration checks are required only for casting Spells and Psionics. Cheers! *Merric, the Dreamer-Minstrel* Merric's Mind Games The dreams of mortal men give rise to the gods. Who dares say that the gods dream us? Nay, it is they who are our creation, not us their's. But if I am wrong, please, let not the god dreaming me wake up!
darken	Re: I didn't know that.	#10	[-]
Posts: 7848 (06/10/02 22:10:46) Rules Lawyer, Esq. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well since coup de grace requires striking a vital spot, maybe the DM could require a concentration check if the AoO actually do a lot of damage that might affect the aim of the coup de grace. darken Light, is the lack of darkness.
ShandriLaMer	Re: I didn't know that.	#11	[-]
Posts: 819 (06/11/02 06:16:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	If Concentration checks are only needed for spells and psionics, then why is it a class skill for monks? I believe Con checks also apply to supernatural or spell-like abilities if they are interruptible by an AoO. Michelle, the eternal egg "Don't mess with me! I still have all my spells!"
Dreams of Lost Daylight	Re: I didn't know that.	#12	[-]
Posts: 3258 (06/11/02 06:29:31) Egg Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Concentration is required for spell-like abilities, just as it is for spells. The only difference is to use a spell-like ability on the defense the DC is almost always 15. Supernatural abilities rarely provoke an AOO, and don't require Concentration. "Your human mentality screams for vengeance and thrives on the violence that you say you can hardly endure."
Mugetsu	Re: I didn't know that.	#13	[-]
Posts: 62 (06/12/02 12:48:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It says on page 72 of the DMG that supernatural abilities cannot be dispelled, are not affected by SR, and -do not- provoke AoOs.
CelticDragonlord	Re	#14	[-]
Posts: 1502 (06/12/02 12:57:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The concentration is because Monks logically must be able to concentrate on things. Also, if a person readies an action to attack the monk if he starts doing something weird, I believe a concentration check would be needed for some of the spell-like abilities (can't remember which ones, right now, but things like Ki healing).

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