A monk in my campaign wishes to get the Weapon Finesse feat on her open hand attack...Is this possible? The Feat says "choose one light weapon"... a fist is pretty light...
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Monk & Weapon Finesse
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 Jaelken |
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Posts: 96 (04/05/02 15:41:18) |
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Bahamut44 |
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Posts: 3139 (04/05/02 15:51:12) |
Read the section for "Strike, unarmed" in your Equipment section of the PHB. It will clear it right up for you!
-Zach The Kor'nui Homepage The Kor'nui Homepage Mirror AIM: FraggingDragon, ZOTBahamut Email: Shinji_I@Tokyo-3.com |
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Jaelken |
thanks! | ||
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Posts: 96 (04/05/02 16:00:55) |
Thanks very much! I'm still coming to terms with the PHB!
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Mashad |
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Posts: 1128 (04/05/02 16:46:34) |
I'm pretty sure you can apply any of the various Weapon feats to unarmed attacks... weapon focus, improved critical, even specialization if you have 4 levels of Fighter. If I'm not mistaken, can also use two-weapon fighting (and improved 2wf) to get extra unarmed attacks with your off-hand. Anyone know for sure?
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Quintera |
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Posts: 269 (04/05/02 17:33:09) |
The monk ability "Flurry of blows" is its variant on the TWF. There is also a feat in the S&F called "Lightning Fists" that allows two additional attacks but everything takes a -5 on the attacks rolls. The feat does say it but I think that both the attacks are at the highest BAB. The whole situation looks like this:
Monk 12th level Normal Unarmed BAB: +9/+6/+3 Flurry Unarmed BAB: +7/+7/+4/+1 with Lightning Fists: +5/+5/+5/+1/-2 with Ambi & TWF: +7/+7/+4/+1 with above & ITWF: +7/+7/+4/+2/+1 (I think) |
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Unregistered(d) |
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Posts: 0 (04/05/02 20:04:14) |
You can take weapon finesse with any light weapon. You can also take the WF with the rapier no matter what size you are. You can WF a spiked chain if you are medium size or larger. An unarmed attack is considered a weapon two sizes lighter than the character's size.
Now that opens a question: If an unarmed attack is two sizes lighter than the character, what size is an unarmed attack from a diminutive or fine creature? Weapon Focus, WSpecalization, and other weapon feats can also be taken with an unarmed attack. it's not excluded from any feat. BTW I know that the question above has a real answer. Can anyone tell me what it is (Consider it a quiz, 'cause I already know)? Dur... Music rules! Uh, yeah, and... Uh... Smash time! -Some random half-orc bard NPC |
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Bahamut44 |
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Posts: 3139 (04/05/02 22:47:05) |
Yes...the real answer is in the PHB, where I already said it was several posts ago...
-Zach The Kor'nui Homepage The Kor'nui Homepage Mirror AIM: FraggingDragon, ZOTBahamut Email: Shinji_I@Tokyo-3.com |
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Scott |
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Posts: 1796 (04/06/02 08:40:02) |
The rapier weapon finesse works if you can use it one handed. Since the blade is medium sized, small creatures can't finesse it. Don't believe me? Read your PHB.
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Andorax |
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Posts: 7052 (04/08/02 07:07:23) |
Just to clairfy something Quintera didn't mention...you can't use Ambi/TWF AND Flury/Lightning both together. His example is correct in not combining them, but I wanted to point this out specifically. The two are mutually exclusive.
That said, his examples are, I think, correct. "Whadda ya mean, Orcs get levels too?!?"
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Andorax |
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Posts: 7052 (04/08/02 07:08:33) |
Just to clairfy something Quintera didn't mention...you can't use Ambi/TWF AND Flury/Lightning both together. His example is correct in not combining them, but I wanted to point this out specifically. The two are mutually exclusive.
That said, his examples are, I think, correct. RandomNPC/Scott, I believe the reason Rapiers are able to be taken with finesse preassumes that the Rapier in question is sized according to the wielder. Thus, a Small individual could wield a Small Rapier with Finesse, not a "normal" Medium Rapier. "Whadda ya mean, Orcs get levels too?!?"
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Karth |
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Posts: 236 (04/08/02 08:43:35) |
If you read the descriptive text for a monk's unarmed attack, they can't apply Ambidexterity, Two Weapon Fighting, or anything that gives off-handed attacks, because Monks don't have off-handed unarmed attacks... they are always concidered to be making off-handed attacks when fighting... TWF and so fourth doesn't do anything for them while unarmed.
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Unregistered(d) |
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Posts: 0 (04/08/02 16:20:48) |
Can anyone answer the really small monk question I posted earlier? I'm still waiting for someone to get it right...
Dur... Music rules! Uh, yeah, and... Uh... Smash time! -Some random half-orc bard NPC |
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Feiss |
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Posts: 794 (04/08/02 17:32:59) |
A Medium character has a Tiny unarmed attack that does 1d3 damage.
A Small character has a Diminutive unarmed attack that does 1d2 damage. A Tiny character has a Fine unarmed attack that does 1 damage. That's as small as it gets though. From the SRD: "A weapon reduced in size so that it does less than 1 point of damage is useless." There are no unarmed attacks for these creatures. Even if a Diminutive character somehow managed to achieve a high Strength score, it would still not do a single point of subdual damage if it tried to attack unarmed -- its unarmed attacks are "useless". Feiss |
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Laguna |
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Posts: 3519 (07/12/02 18:23:56) Local user |
Does Weapon Finesse only apply to attack rolls, or does it include damage rolls? Example, human monk with a str of 12 (+1) and dex of 14 (+2), he has weapon finesse: unarmed strike. At level 1, would his unarmed damage be 1d6+1 or 1d6+2?
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saturn80 |
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Posts: 759 (08/09/02 06:11:47) |
1d6+1 weapon finess only affects attack rolls
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